For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Main Points

  • Nonnormative sex is not something to be “proud” of so why call it “Pride Month”?
  • Why does such a small percentage of the population get a whole month?
  • Why do we need to not only accept but celebrate something like sexual proclivity?
  • Why does a percentage of the nonnormative community want to involve our children?
  • How did we get to the point where we even need to point out the obvious truths about sexuality?

Transcript

Hey folks welcome back to the Mac and Mike podcast. I should note that we’ve
missed a couple of weeks because my brother over here was a little bit under
the weather and a little bit of a virus kind of thing going on and
respiratory thing going on and not kind of not the wind out of his sails so we’re
back and Mike maybe a little bit still under the weather may not offer as much
as he might ordinarily do but Mike brought up a very interesting topic and
it had to what it was in relation to was Elon Musk and the White House and there
was a message sent out a tweet I guess that was sent out on Twitter by the
White House and then Elon Musk made a follow-up statement to it. I’m gonna read
the White House statement that that was sent out to give you an idea of what
we’re going to talk about. So as here today our nation faces another
inflection point. In 2023 alone state and local legislatures have already
introduced over 600 hateful laws targeting the LGBTQI plus community. Books about
LGBTQI plus people are being banned from libraries. Transgender youth in over a
dozen states have already had their medically necessary health care banned.
Homophobic and transphobic vitriols viewed online and has spilled over into
real life as armed hate groups intimidate people at pride marches and and drag
performances and threatened doctors offices and children’s hospitals that
offer care to the LGBTQI plus community. Our hearts are heavy with the grief for the
loved ones we have lost to anti-LGBTQI plus violence. There’s so much of that
of that statement that needs to be addressed in so many different ways and
look I really agree you know Mike and I are in our 60s we’re old guys so we’re
coming at this from an old school perspective you know when when we were
much younger and concerned ourselves with issues like this we didn’t deal
with the LGBTQTIA plus community in the same way they do today. I have a saying
that I used all the time I don’t care what anybody does in their bedroom I
don’t care what anybody wants to do with themselves if they only impact you
include and and what they do affects only themselves what I do kind of have an
issue with is not acceptance because I accept people for who they are but when
certain people demand we not only accept but we celebrate their their
beliefs and I think there needs to be a line drawn between acceptance and
celebration because acceptance is one thing and that leads to a whole set of
responsible behaviors and actions that allows everyone to be who they want to
be but celebration requires people who might not believe in the same things or
may go against the grain of a of a very strongly held moral or religious belief
and forces them to behave in a way that doesn’t allow them to have their own
religious beliefs and and therein lies a problem you know our first amendment to
the to the Constitution includes a lot of things but one of those is freedom of
religion and another one is freedom of speech and each American has the right
to say what they believe or to follow the religious beliefs that they hold and
and no one should be able to stop them but there does need to be a little bit of
let us say compromise and civility among and between people with different
different beliefs different ideas the left talks about intolerance all the time
and we shouldn’t be intolerant of people with different views I wholeheartedly
agree most of us many of us embrace the idea of intolerance as as being
unacceptable but where is the line where intolerance ends and being
subjugated to someone else’s beliefs or ideas begin this is a conversation you
know I have had a number of times Mike and it’s especially insidious when it
deals with children okay Bill Maher who is not necessarily a flaming right wing
you know what do they call his terrorists calls out the fact that
transgenderism in children in California is I think it’s he called it 70% higher
in the state of California than is any other state in the Union now you’re not
gonna convince me that seven-year-old children across the United States of
America are that much different in California than they are in Texas or
New York or Illinois or Alabama for that matter well so why is there 70% higher
rate of transgenderism in California than there is in these other states one
conclusion without having the facts and you know obviously you need to have all
the information before drawing a firm conclusion but initially the conclusion
would be you know it’s kind of cool to have a transgender kid and if you have
transgender kid in California you get to go to the cool kids corner right so so
let’s have more of that but these decisions that are being made for children
who are very impressionable and for the most part probably only want to please
mom and dad they don’t know they don’t understand the ramifications that’s why
parents have the awesome responsibility to write to raise a child to the age of
consent right to understanding consent you know we don’t let kids buy cigarettes
when they’re under 18 we don’t let them drink hard liquor when they’re under
18 many states that can’t even get a tattoo until what 18 or 21 sometimes so
what how are we going to let children who are seven and eight years old decide
that they’re in the wrong body does that make sense to you Mike no and it’s
often pointed out you know guy said well my seven-year-old granddaughter she
thinks using unicorn should I have surgically implanted or input in the center
it really only matters I think when it comes to children I mean when you’re an
adult do what you want and as I pointed out previously and I’ll put the link in
again something like 75 to 80% of people grow out of their non-normative sexual
thought processes by the age 29 and that’s that’s a study that was done by a
liberal University up in UCLA not me not some right-wing nut so you know our
brains aren’t fully developed till we’re 25 and that gives you about till you
know they said that by 29 people are coming out of it so it takes about four
years after your brains fully developed for you to sort of contemplate your your
own decisions and things like that and and we don’t want to see people who are
truly disturbed you know suffering and I’m not okay you know it might sound bad
if I say they’re mentally ill but they are in the DSM-5 which is a
psychiatric diagnosis of a sexual dysphoria and it’s true that a lot of
these people become discouraged want to commit suicide because they’re
confused they may but then again something like 90% of them were abused it
was is also in the UCLA study so you have to handle the situation delicately there
are some people that want to do it for the attention there’s some people who are
genuinely confused and you and I don’t know what type that person is when we
meet them or we’re talking about them in general so people out there shouldn’t
make the assumption because you don’t know when the person suicidal and does it
even matter if they’re mentally unstable causing the suicidal tendency or it
doesn’t matter what the root causes you don’t want anyone hurting themselves sure
and that’s the bottom line but then as you point out so well repeated what you said
it’s not just about acceptance it’s celebration don’t ask me to participate
in your particular delusion if you want to call it that or dysphoria you know Mike I
know biology and you know my eighth grade you know sex education class taught me
about X and Y chromosomes and you know I know the difference between a man and
a woman and I hear people on television or on radio or in print all the time
say that men can have a menstrual cycle that men can get pregnant and you know
that that defies logic that defies intelligence we we know that men simply
cannot get pregnant they don’t have the body parts that enable that to happen
you know you believe we have to have that discussion it is huh incredibly you
know I love the that I saw short on on the internet and Matt Walsh who has this
movie out that talks about what is a woman and he had their transgender person
came to the microphone to ask Matt Walsh a question is this transgender
transgender man had transitioned to do a woman and as part of the question this
person says I’m an EMT emergency excuse me emergency medical technician and you
know all of my friends call me by my you know requested pronouns and they
considered me to be a woman etc and and Matt Walsh looks at this person and says
okay let me ask you this question if you’re in a traffic accident as an EMT and
this male person who’s injured lying on the street obviously in great pain and
they say I’m pregnant and I’m afraid I’m having a miscarriage as an EMT are you
going to check for a miscarriage and the person says well no they’re a man and
right away when they said that they realized the obvious truth the the
conundrum that they created for themselves by answering truthfully about
the circumstances and and look I don’t hate anybody you know I’m a Christian I’m a
Catholic my God you know there’s a story that my God told it’s repeated in the
Bible I don’t want to get all all religious on anybody but you know what what
Jesus said was they tell you to love your your family and your friends and I
tell you to love your enemies and and the point that Jesus Christ was making in
that moment is is that we should have love for everyone and even if you don’t
agree with them even if they’re different from you and and I try I try to
follow that line of teaching because I believe that that’s the righteous way to
be and when someone wants to be a transgender and they’re 28 years old and
they’re capable of making that decision for themselves I have absolutely no
problem with what they want to do I I I’m uncomfortable when they insist that
I listen to them tell me about their transition and I’m uncomfortable when
they tell me that because of their decision I have to believe certain things
that they say or I have to believe a react or behave in a certain way that
celebrates their decision because none of that makes me feel comfortable and it’s
not something that I think about you know intentionally I don’t have a I don’t
have an intentional thought my head well this person is whatever because they’re
whatever and that’s just not what I’m trying to say what I’m trying to say is
is that when someone tells me something that defies believe how can I believe
it how can I be honest and true to myself to my own intelligence to my own
self-worth my own being my own intellectual curiosity if they tell me
something that I know to be false and and then they want me to to participate in
it and as we said before celebrate it again whatever people want to do that
make them happy good for them I’m happy for them I am concerned however and this
this thing that the that the White House put out you know when they talk about
the children’s hospitals doing sex reassignment surgery on seven year olds
as you noted you know funny about the unicorn how many kids want to be
firemen policemen and doctors you know when they’re seven years old or they
want to be whatever you know not many people want to grow up and be the ditch
digger but lots of people do you know I’m not I’m not I don’t want people to hear
this or see this and think that I’m being derogatory or dismissive of
people that are part of the LGBTQ TIA plus community that’s not my my intent my
intent is is that we need to be able to coexist equally and without rancor
towards either one and I think when you cross the line and you start to say
that we’re going to have adult conversations with seven or eight year
olds about what they want or what they should be that’s probably something that
society shouldn’t allow just like we don’t allow seven or eight year olds to
to buy and smoke cigarettes and buy and smoke or excuse me buy and consume alcohol
I think we have a societal responsibility to allow kids to get at least
that age of consent typically 18 but as you noted the brain isn’t fully
functional fully formed until the age 25 that’s why whenever I was 21 I was
doing so many stupid things you know but my point here is is that I guess there’s
so many parts of our society that appear to be in conflict because of this
demand not only of acceptance but also celebration of these various issues okay
Bud Light just recently had this blow-up right Dylan Mulvaney became one of
their spokespersons and I don’t I don’t I don’t know Dylan Mulvaney
personally I see the way this individual portrays an adult woman and I don’t know
any other adult woman who behaves in the way his paternal looks but hey if you
want he or she wants to do whatever it is that they’re doing I’m okay with that
Budweiser I feel is in an untenable circumstance if they don’t do this if
they don’t follow the LGBTQIA plus request or demands they get they get
crucified they get you know they get antagonistic things and if they do do it
they get crucified in and taken this antagonistic threats or statements it
was the same thing like the LA Dodgers you know the LA Dodgers are having a
pride night which I have no problem with none whatsoever I won’t go there
because I wouldn’t feel comfortable in that crowd it’s not that I disliked them
or I want anything bad to happen to them but they’re not they don’t believe
the same things I do what I learned a long long time ago is is that people
feel comfortable with people that are just like them it’s it’s not racism it’s
not homophobic it’s not transphobic or whatever it is the label you want to put
up I feel comfortable with people that think like me that’s not unusual most
people are like that that’s why the LGBTQIA community gets together because
they they recognize they have similar feelings about big ideas so if I don’t
want to participate should I be called a name for that or should I just be left
alone can’t we as Rodney what was Rodney King said Rodney King said can’t we all
just get along you know I guess what I’m saying is again love everybody I don’t
hate anybody I don’t want to disrespect people for having different ideas or
feeling different about themselves and their body than I do just why do you demand
that I have to participate and celebrate with you because I don’t agree with you
you don’t agree with me a lot of things you can be happy and choose not to
celebrate those beliefs and ideas that I have don’t I have the same rights as you
do or is it because maybe I’m in the majority and you’re in a minority the
majority has to accept a minority I don’t know I don’t get the idea behind the
celebration part of it Mike well that’s the big thing too that’s been pointed
out okay so you lump all these acronyms together you know I just call them NN’s
it’s easier to say that all these other letters it’s a Webster’s dictionary
non-normative sexual people okay so the thing that keeps getting people in
trouble in the most talked about of not LGBT people lesbian gay and bi you get
into the trans well when you look at the numbers that’s what’s caused all the
things you know the the male swimmer that’s in the family what’s a Leah Thomas
the atomic and you have the Dolan Mulvaney and then you have the target
tuck bathing suit all having to do with the trans well the trans community in
America I don’t know what the number is it’s so small it’s like point zero one
okay point zero one percent of the population you you don’t target you don’t
need to discuss this but you didn’t need to discuss this the swimmer and swimmers
and people competing you don’t need to accept that it just doesn’t need to be
accepted it’s not enough people I mean you don’t change the world for point zero
one percent because lesbians gays and bi’s aren’t the ones causing this problem the
comedian we were watching today the sporting I’ll get crude here and I can
cut this out if I want we’re at 16 minutes and 14 seconds or so he says
well they don’t get along because the one group says I like to suck dick and the
other group says I want to cut my dick off they really don’t have anything in
common do they and it’s funny you know because it was a comedy show but he’s
making a very good point these these people don’t really stick together they
don’t all have the same they’re not homogenous they’re not of one opinion I
had a lesbian friend she doesn’t get the transgender community just I mean she
said I’m a chick I know I like chicks and there’s guys I’m sure they feel the same
I got a guy I like to I like other guys but the trans thing is where like it just
blows their mind they say it’s not a real thing it’s a psychological problem
that’s how most of them see listen I’m not trained or educated in what makes
someone who they are or who they think they are and I’m sure that there are a
lot of both physical and mental reasons why things happen you know one of the
one of the ideas I’ve heard some doctors put forth is is that male testosterone
level are significantly reduced over the last 50 years because of the food we
you know that that we inject these animals with all kinds of hormones and
things to make them grow big and lose the you know all these and maybe that’s
affecting you know our our physical makeup our the makeup of the chemicals
that are our bodies I don’t know any of that again I’m not not trained in that and
I really can’t speak to that because of that lack of training that lack of
education what what I am somewhat trained in is is that you know I know who I am
and I don’t want to not like other people I don’t want to hate people that’s not
who I am that’s that’s not what my faith teaches me it’s not what my faith
demands of me so I try very hard not to make these very direct and very
brushed statements about other people have different opinions than I do but
what I do have a problem with this is that I have children and grandchildren and I
have a beautiful little nine-year-old grandchild I have a pair of twins that are
you know they’re not ready as grandchild they’re not ready to be exposed and to
make determinations about some of these gender and sex issues their their mind
isn’t attuned to that they haven’t gotten the stage where they think about those
kinds of things and you know very honestly I think it’s a parent’s right to
decide when their children get exposed to those kinds of issues and it’s based on
so many different factors you know even in the same family children will you
know they will develop intellectually in different ways and even a similar age
may not be prepared for the same kinds of intellectual thoughts that you know a
younger or older simply may be maybe prepared to to have a conversation and a
decision about but ultimately you know I mentioned the first amendment to the
Constitution and religious freedom you know we have a lot of different
religions in this nation and there are some religious beliefs and some
religious practices that I find to be not good even unacceptable you know there’s
this history and this acceptance of an honor killing in some of the Muslim
face and some of the Islamic face some of the other faces in the world well I
don’t think killing someone can be a matter of honor under most any
circumstances and you know we have to be we have to give people a chance to make
up their own mind at a time when they are of sufficiently intellectually
developed to make decisions on their own that are going to affect their entire
lifetime when a child of seven eight or ten years old makes a decision to
transition to another gender to another sex if the average age of a male in
America is 77 years you understand that that decision they make they’re making
it for 65 or 70 years and they’re making it a time when their brain is not fully
developed should we allow that and many people obviously the White House
thinks they should but isn’t that a conversation that we need to have a more
in-depth debate regarding I don’t know I just know that there are so many
things about this issue that I find disconcerting and I find I’m not
complete understanding and acceptance in all parts in all corners of the of the
bay and I think it’s worthwhile to you know the Hippocratic oath you know
first it says do not so how how can we how can we make decisions that have a
great potential to do significant harm to young people so early in their lives
when they’re simply not capable of making those kinds of life-altering
decisions that makes sense doesn’t Mike it does and that’s what the laws and
these other 18 states are geared towards doing just making sure that people
don’t make irresponsible decisions when they don’t have the capacity to do so
it’s just like you said you don’t want them to drink or smoke or do certain things
at a certain age it just says leave the kids alone let them grow up maybe they’ll
change and as dr. Jordan Peterson points out oftentimes to if you’re dealing with
someone before they he’s not against transitioning but he said you should be
in counseling for years figuring out what brought you to this point because if
you can’t tell me what brought you to this point maybe if you don’t know you
shouldn’t do something and it made sense to me it’s like okay I agree with
that I mean if you’re finally convinced after enough counseling that this is a
real problem because I understand one in 80,000 or 100,000 people has an extra
chromosome that doesn’t match exactly with their genitalia but there doesn’t
seem to be a correlation in any of those instances that it means that you feel
like you’re the opposite sex so that takes it’s like one in a hundred million
people might be actually chromosomally affected yeah maybe it’s time to stop
and put the brakes on just a little bit like any big of life-altering decision as
you point out what 60 plus years are gonna live with that decision you know
might be the White House statement even was almost unacceptable on the face
you know when you read this you know again so many people on so many sides of
so many issues talk they talk about tolerance right you know Leah Thomas
goes swimming they said let’s be tolerant but what about tolerance for the
women in the in the locker room who didn’t know a man with all of his body
parts in intact we’re going to be changing clothes getting naked in the
same room as them don’t they have shouldn’t we be tolerant of that I mean
don’t we have to have tolerance to their needs as well goes but everything goes
both ways but here’s you know I read the statement and what it said was hateful
laws yeah wasn’t that a pre-determinate judgment there’s no tolerance in that
statement no these are hateful laws by 18 different states yeah without evidence
who decides what’s hateful and what isn’t hateful you know we’ve had this
conversation before what makes right and wrong because President Biden is the
president of the United States is he the arbiter of what’s right and wrong what’s
hateful and what is it because it sounds like it to me there was there was no
attempt to be non-judgmental in that White House release that press release
that statement and shouldn’t the president of the United States again is
another one of factors involved shouldn’t the president of the United States be
the president of all the people of the nation shouldn’t he be respectful of
everyone’s opinion and everyone’s attitude on this matter when you put out a
statement said these are hateful laws you’ve already predetermined in your
own mind and in your statement you’ve prejudged what is hateful and what is it
you don’t give isn’t it possible that these people in these states were
motivated by the best intentions even if they were wildly wrong isn’t it possible
they were truly motivated by the best intentions to protect young children from
decisions that they’re gonna have to live with their entire lives but no no
no not in this statement these are hateful laws how do you know what what when
people are motivated by hate did they say whenever they pass the law we hate
these people and we’re gonna pass this law no they didn’t they said we love
these children we want these children to be taken care of we want to give them
a chance to understand and to grow and to learn and to make prudent decisions for
themselves when the time is right when they’re able and capable of making
appropriate decisions for the rest of their lives I’m I’m sorry you know we’re
talking about a subject that is so sensitive to so many people you know I
mentioned the Los Angeles Dodgers and their prime night and and the sisters
of perpetual something or other got an invitation to be there and they were
disinvited based upon one particular group of Christians who complained how
this group behaves and the and the shows that they put on that are that are
sacrilegious to their to their religious beliefs even one of the pictures in
Major League Baseball said you know I don’t hate anybody but when somebody does
things that particularly show hate and disregard of someone else’s religious
beliefs isn’t that in and of itself hateful and you know so the Dodgers
just trying to do a good thing they just want to put a baseball game on the
field and have people enjoy it and sell some tickets and sell some you know
refreshments and everybody be happy and go home at the end of the night no no no
they’re they’re squeezed from both sides they cannot be right now whether the
situation sisters of perpetual intentions I guess what it whether they’re there or
not the Dodgers are gonna be criticized now for whatever they do and and and they
came out with we’re going to have a you know Christian and family life knight
in in July to kind of count about I’m sorry now now you’ve made it worse in a
way because now you’re trying to say to apologize in some way for a decision that
they never had should have had to have been forced to make and you know there’s
so many things in our world today and we’re talking about the LGBTQ TIA plus
community and and that issue that separates our society are our nation but
there are others as well you know whether it’s racism or whether you know
whatever form of disagreement between and among people that separates us it’s a
bad thing you know ultimately we should all be Americans and ultimately we
should be permitted to follow our religious beliefs as we see fit we should
be allowed to have our freedom of speech protected by our Constitution not
that we should be allowed to do violence to anyone I’m not a supporter of any
violence aren’t from any perspective in any way shape or form but I do think
people ought to be able to disagree without being shouted down or without being
ostracized I’m sitting here thinking your history buff in sports you know so
baseball and football been around over a hundred years mm-hmm and why is it
only here in the last I don’t know five ten years ten years maybe we suddenly
find all of our sports embroiled in all these controversies yeah they never were
for all these years no I think and you correct me if I’m wrong it started with
awareness of breast cancer like they took up that cause I think that’s the first
one I can historically remember sports being involved in right I don’t know that
that’s not controversial that’s one of the early ones I think many of the
baseball teams were involved with you know the March of Dimes back in the day
okay I don’t know that that was really controversial none of it was not
breast cancer March of Dimes not controversial what got them to the
position all of them where they felt like they needed to answer to these
controversy they should be able to give a reply to anyone any group we believe
that’s too controversial thank you but we’re not going to participate you know
so because it is controversy I think if there’s a certain amount of attitude and
belief that with fame and fortune comes responsibility and I think that
there are many people who believe that they should speak out about issues that
they care about and you know just because you’re a baseball player or a football
player or a TV star or movie star doesn’t mean you need to be quiet but I do
think that when corporations get involved and you know Bud Light is
example Target is the example you know North faces example all of these
examples of of organizations that get involved in these mildly if not
significantly controversial issues the question just is why you know all of us
consume your product all of us regardless of race and creed and color
and nation of origin or religious beliefs or we all use your products is it is it
even if it’s not right or wrong is it a an intelligent marketing decision to
single out one group of people for celebration which then antagonizes another
group of your consumers you know and and ultimately you know we can go back and
talk about whether slavery was right or wrong listen the first slaves in America
were Irish okay so and I’m Irish so I get it no one wants to be singled out for
ugly and and this inappropriate treatment we just don’t and you know what
I what I believe is is that we need to get corporations and really for the most
part politicians out of some of these issues I think that there are times when
the government must make a law but I think there’s other times when it’s
but it’s best to just leave it alone yep did we beat this up enough I guess
so Mike it hurts my heart to know that there’s this much disagreement and vitriol
and hatred it gets wound into these issues and you know as Jesus himself said
they tell you to love your friends to and I tell you to love your enemies there
we should love everyone and we should give everyone an opportunity to be who
they are without forcing everyone else to accept and believe the same way agreed
all right back and Mike out