No, we are not talking Putin we are talking Lemets. Our friend Vlad was born in Ukraine and then moved to Russia. He came to America as a 14-year-old, joined the Army and is now an American citizen and only wants to identify with America. However, Vlad Lemets has a unique perspective on the war having relatives in both countries. I think you will find his views very insightful. I know I did.
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All right, folks, welcome back to the Mac and Mike show.
We’ve got a rare treat for you.
Of course, Mike is here, Mac is here.
And with us, we have our special guest host star
of Vets for Trump, Southern Division.
Vlad is with us.
And Mike knows Vlad better than I’ll let Mike
do the introductions for Vlad.
Oh, Vlad and I met a long time ago.
We’ve had him on before.
And he’s part of the Vets for Trump movement
and veterans for America first and many other veteran
centric things.
So Vlad is an interesting character
because he was born in Ukraine, moved to Russia,
served in the United States Army as a citizen of the US now,
and has insights into the things that Mac is interested in.
Yeah, kind of the reason why we invited you on the show today,
Vlad, is that your unique perspective
on both Ukraine and Russia.
When last we spoke to you, you mentioned the Minsk
cords, and to be perfectly honest with you,
I wasn’t real familiar with what they were and what that was.
But you were, and you enlightened us,
and it was your opinion at the time
that the Minsk cords didn’t work for a reason.
What’s your opinion on why the Minsk
accords, it was basically between NATO, Ukraine, and Russia, right?
Right.
And you couldn’t abide by them.
And frankly, basically, they didn’t even care
to abide by them.
They need which side or both?
Ukraine didn’t even care to abide by them.
And frankly, the government of Ukraine,
especially the new government of Ukraine,
they decided they just don’t want to follow the Minsk
accords whatsoever.
And what do you do at that point?
So why have we even created those in the first place?
I’ve been led to believe by sources
that I’ve looked into in various places, online and offline,
and the internet and some people that I trust individually.
They said that the Minsk Accords really was delaying tactic
in order to help give Ukraine time to build up its military force
so that they would be ready for an eventual Russian incursion.
And I don’t know if that’s true or not.
I mean, people would say a lot of things,
and you can read just about anything you want to on the internet today.
But from your early comments, it’s kind of rolled out exactly that way, right?
There was never an intention on the part of Ukraine or NATO
or the United States to abide by the Minsk cord.
But instead, rather, use that time to help Ukraine prepare.
Well, I hate saying I told you so, but that’s I told you so.
And unfortunately, another part of that people are forgetting,
and the large part of the whole Minsk cords is the people.
And specifically the areas that Russia is occupying right now,
because of the Russians speaking people,
those are people who identify as Russian and post again,
just going back in history, just one thing to kind of remember,
Ukraine never was a thing to begin with, okay?
I mean, even going way back when it was called Key of Unruse, right?
It was all part of Russia.
And although Kiev was at the time Kip Capital,
which is in Ukraine, you know, capital of Ukraine,
it was always just its own part of Russia.
In a matter of fact, the word again, Ukraine means by the border.
So it’s no surprise that a lot of people there identify as Russians.
And again, in Crimea, a lot of people were very happy when it was,
well, liberated by Russia.
But that’s a point.
What I’m trying to say is we really are witnessing a civil war,
if you may, essentially speaking, that’s what it is.
It’s the same people with slightly different language dialects.
It’s like the South and the North, you know,
if you want to, you know, do America, right?
And I hate saying this, but well, frankly,
we are responsible for this conflict.
We inflamed it.
We didn’t do it, we didn’t continue supporting it.
Yeah.
And again, I don’t identify as Ukrainian or Russian, you know,
I’m an American, you know, this is my homeland.
I would die for this nation, this nation only.
And you swore an oath and you put the uniform on to prove that.
And we value that.
Thank you.
But it is my home.
But it is very painful for me to see this entire situation
because again, I have family on both sides of the border.
I have family living in St. Petersburg, Russia.
And I have family living in Ukraine and Vanessa in Odessa as well.
So, you know, I read a story recently, Vlad,
that said the reason why Crimea was that the Russians went
into Crimea in the first place was that Russia was convinced
that NATO wanted to put a naval base near the port of Crimea.
And that way established, you know,
a significant amount of influence through military sea power in that location.
I don’t know if that’s true or not.
Have you heard anything like that or do you believe that’s what Putin believes?
I do not know anything about this.
I really do not.
Again, this is, I do not research all day and sit in there thinking,
oh my God, what are the Russians going to do next?
Or what are we planning in the terms of world pageant money?
Yeah, this is not something I do.
But I got involved into this again because of my identity,
because people hear me speak.
And the very first thing that pops in people’s head is, oh,
he’s Russian because I have a thick Russian accent.
I mean, I migrated to US when I was 14, but my accent is still stuck with me.
So, frankly, actually, it’s more of a Ukrainian accent, but, you know,
Americans are pretty stupid about that kind of stuff.
We’re pretty arrogant when we think about people that are outside this country.
You mentioned the people in the territory that Russia was most interested in,
were mostly Russia.
Again, I’ve heard and read recently that many of those Russian speaking people
in that part of Ukraine were heavily discriminated against by the government
of Ukraine and they were being forced to take on the Ukrainian language
and to forfeit their heritage, that kind of thing.
Do you know that should be true?
Yes, that is absolutely true.
And that has been happening since before President Yanukovych, actually.
You know, but that’s just locally.
It never has been centralized by the government and mandated as strongly
as it has been passed Yanukovych.
And then if you, again, people don’t really know the history of what happened there,
but the entire conflict really happened, I believe it was what 2013
when Ukraine removed, had a revolution over there, let’s see, 2014.
Yeah, there you go.
He was the president of 2013, I believe, was a year because 2014,
he wasn’t even in the country.
Essentially speaking, Russia basically went to Ukraine and said,
you need to rebuild your infrastructure.
And I know NATO and U.S. are offering you aid in all of these things,
but we are your closest neighbor, we’re the same people, we have the same faith,
and we can help you much more than they can.
So the president at the time, Viktor Yanukovych, this guy said,
okay, you know what, that sounds like a reasonable deal.
And of course NATO and U.S. wouldn’t have any of that.
So we kind of inflamed the civil war over there in Ukraine
and the entire capital was on fire for months, you know?
Makes sense to me, yeah, that makes sense.
And Mike knows this better than I because of the work he did in military,
but we’re oftentimes part of regime changes in countries.
Yeah, essentially speaking, here’s what I’m really thinking is happening,
just in my opinion, okay, this is just a little bit of analysis and a little speculation.
What I think is happening is we the West collectively and our allies,
you know, some of them, a lot of them probably do not see Russia as a country
more so that we see it as a gas station with a government attached to it, okay?
And a pretty big, pretty big vault of resources at that as well, you know?
So we’re looking at this as a small core dome in our way
of getting access to the last reserve of resources of the planet, okay?
Because a lot of those are very much untouched.
That’s very interesting.
It’s a huge, huge area and natural resources over there.
The entire set theory is untouched for Christ’s sake, you know?
So, and if you really look at the map of Russia
and just some strategic thinking here, Russia really doesn’t have anything inland.
It does not.
All it is is where you see other countries bordering Russia,
that’s where the main cities are.
And most of them are not even very dense.
And Russia doesn’t have a huge population.
It’s quite small, it’s half of the USA population at that.
Actually, I think it’s more like a third.
Yeah, it’s a third.
Yeah, so essentially, we’re looking at Russia, you know, collectively as just again,
unlimited resources with a government that needs to be overthrown because it’s in a way.
Yeah, unfortunately, I’ve heard that spoken about pretty freely.
There are other things about this that have been,
if there are parties and entities inside of Russia right now who are pioneering a new
Russia approach, and essentially speaking, they want to break down Russia in something
like 40 different regions because they are going to be much easier to manage.
And of course, it’s heavily suspected for an influence in those thought processes within
the nation.
Yeah.
And again, I’m not an intel guy, you know, I just listen to a lot of different stuff.
And I do happen to have cultural background and personal stake in it because if you’re
family and friends that are still there, you know, you mentioned something a minute ago,
Vlad, that I wanted to go back to you said about faith.
And was it part of the Putin concern, what is it, a 700 mile border between Russia and
Ukraine, something like that, or was it part of the concern that the lack of the influence
influencing his country?
Yes, absolutely.
There’s other called buffer zones.
And essentially speaking, the biggest concern again, because strategically speaking, all of
Russia is on the borders, really, it really is, you know.
So when we’re talking taken over Russia, you don’t have to go through miles and miles of
stuff, you just need to take the main infrastructure.
And really, if you really realistically look at this, we’re talking about Moscow, St. Petersburg
being the two major targets over there, okay, you get those two kept and it’s open game.
Moscow is the only place that is sort of inland.
But if the biggest concern was was Ukraine joining NATO and having access to nuclear
short ballistic, short nuclear range, nuclear arsenal.
So that was a major concern.
And that was a concern because no defense systems in existence could prevent, you know, a strike
that has been launched from that territory to Moscow, even if they want to, because
I understand Russia has moved short and mid range nuclear weapons into Belarus now.
Yeah.
And I think I haven’t heard anything else as a deterrent so that the NATO doesn’t move
into closer to Russia.
Well, I wouldn’t be surprised because Russia has always talked for a very long time about
having a buffer zone that basically prevents short range nuclear missiles being launched
at the capital.
Yeah.
That has always been their big concern.
And Ukraine openly saying after all of this time, first it was, we’re not going to abide
by means agreements.
Then it was, we’re considering joining NATO and European Union.
Then it was, we are joining NATO and well, well, the next logical step for a member of
NATO is to have nuclear arsenal on their doorstep.
And then nothing could really prevent if NATO so decided, because of any type of crisis,
if they so decided to take out, you know, cut off the head of the proverbial snake, you
know, nothing would stop them.
Nothing could stop them at that point.
So I’m going to draw a very interesting parallel here.
You know, I’m not saying Putin is a teddy bear.
It’s not.
I mean, he obviously murdered more people than, you know, a lot of our guys in our group combined,
right?
So in during the war, but he is definitely a bear protecting his nation.
And this is what Trump was talking about that I respect very highly and, you know, Trump said,
we need a leader who is going to be able to take care of our country, our nation and
every leader of their own prospective nation should do the same.
Well, essentially speaking, I really do think Putin is doing just that.
Let me draw an analogy for you.
Let’s imagine for a second that we have an analog to NATO, right?
To look, we have another, you know, military group that is comprised of many different countries.
Let’s say those countries are Iran, Brazil, Russia, and Chile, for instance, just an example,
right?
We have a group similar to NATO.
And for whatever reason, we had an agreement with Canada saying that Canada is having, let’s
call it Washington accords, okay, with Washington accords was Canada saying that Canada will
never be a part of the group, okay?
And well, Canada has a new president, you know, after what seems to be like a stage revolution,
and then they are pushing more and more and they’re saying, okay, well, now we’re not
asking, we’re saying we are joining this group, and we are going to have our nuclear
arsenal capable of reaching Washington DC in Ontario, well, as US.
I mean, I think we would do pretty much the same thing, Russia is doing, we would not allow
that to happen.
Well, we went through that kind of Cuba, right, smaller scale, right, right, it wasn’t aimed
at the capital, but I mean, still, I mean, too close to our stuff, that’s exactly
my point.
So I think all of this is purposeful escalation, and it has been done.
Everybody was so worried that Trump is going to get us into World War III.
I’ve never thought that it’s going to be a senile Democrat that would do so, because
right now we are on a brink of, you know, all we are is a short, we are a misunderstanding
away from, you know, pressing buttons, which is terrible, you know, I’ve never liked to
think of the world this way, but perhaps since Cuban crisis, this is like the darkest time
we’re living in.
I agree.
I agree.
For many reasons, not just the war in Ukraine, but many things that are going on in the United
States.
A couple of weeks ago, I read a story in the New York Times flat, and I don’t know if you’re
familiar with the story and I apologize for springing on it kind of unannounced, but there was
a story there about these Ukrainian soldiers, they were found as casualties.
And all of these Ukrainian soldiers appeared to be from the same unit, but they were all
wearing Nazi insignia, similar to what the Germans were in World War II.
You’re talking about as of something called as of brigade, and yes, it’s an actual thing.
There are, okay, so, man, we went through this in Russia, actually, this is a very interesting
just background lesson here.
As USSR collapsed, Russia, when Putin was just coming to power, okay, there was a lot
of turmoil in Russia, and there was a lot of criminal activity in Russia, and obviously
mobs and stuff ruled the inner cities, and saw a lot of his first hand when we were living
there.
At the same time, there was a very surprising rise of neo-Nazi use.
In Russia?
I don’t know where, in Russia, you know, and it just came out of nowhere, and it was rising
very quick, very radicalized, nationalistic neo-Nazi use, so my family and friends are
telling me since we moved away from Russia, this has been deliberately and slowly and
steadily dismantled, so what I witnessed growing up in St. Petersburg, Russia, skinheads
walking on the street in clusters, looking for trouble, the same things like this don’t
happen there anymore, so because it was dismantled by the government because they identified
as potential threat.
But what I’m trying to get at is whenever a country just comes out of turmoil to see rise
of nationalism is not a surprising thing.
No, I agree, I agree, but these were Ukrainian soldiers, not Russian soldiers.
Right, but that’s my point.
My question is, one of the things Putin mentioned in his decision to make the incursion into Ukraine
was that he was trying to stop the Nazis from his border.
Right, well, no, completely understanding that, again, it’s a people speaking same language,
so it’s very easy for Ukrainians to blend in in Russia and Russia and Ukraine, and we
always have family on both sides, to say that it’s two separate countries, again, it’s
really absurd.
It is, because so many of us have family in Ukraine and otherwise vice versa.
So when I did say that it is really like a civil war, I mean, I mean, it is really like
a civil war, if United States and NATO wanted to start a civil war in Russia, this is the
way to do it.
It’s absolutely is, you know, you, you, do you think that’s what their population,
you know, you use whatever is strong in the populations ethos, in this case, after the turmoil
and revolution in Ukraine, nationalism is on the rise.
So we say whatever people want to hear, they want nationalists, we’ll give them nationals,
be a proud Ukrainian.
Do you think that’s what the United States or NATO’s end game is, is to creator or to
foment a civil war in Russia?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I do not believe because having an all-out war with Russia is a disaster.
We can’t do it.
Even having proxy wars, even having proxy wars with Russia, it’s a strain on resources
on both sides, but Russia is because of its territory and natural resources and coddling
up to China seems to be doing just fine.
Because the only real end game we have here is to dismantle the country from within.
And people are, of course, speculating that removing Putin would, you know, cascade the
effect of this.
But you know, that by itself would not work out unless we have ready people who are going
to be able to say Putin is dead, you’re wondering what now will tell you what now, okay, such
as the groups who are advocating for independent Russia states, you know, 40-some small countries
that you could do so, unless the ground is prepared for the new plant to be transplanted
there, the plant is going to die.
So not only do we need to get rid of Putin, you know, the West collectively, but we also
need to have a ready soil, you know, for the, you know, for that to take root.
And Ukraine is such perfect soil, metaphorically and, you know, physically speaking, because
it is still, you know, pretty much Russian, you know, history, historic land, you know,
and a lot of people are there from the same bloodlines and they speak the language and
they understand everything that happened.
So having a fragmented population and having it well-funded and in proximity of Russia and
being able to sow seeds of discord in a long-term game, that’s really the way to go.
I mean, if I was trying to take over Russia, that’s exactly what I would do.
Many people I know in the intelligence business tell me that when you look at the Russian
people, probably the Ukrainian people as well, they are not much different than most
of the Eastern or Western European stock that came to America to, you know, to develop
and civilize this nation.
And they often offer me the idea that there should be, you know, between Russia and America,
there should be an alliance because the people themselves are, you know, very close in attitudes,
opinion, work ethic, you know, what, it’s strange.
Now, I’m talking post, you know, communist USR, obviously America with its, you know,
with its democracy, its representative republic and its capitalist system was never going
to cozy up to a communist, United Soviet, Soviet republic, but I think that Russia as
it exists and the people of Russia, there’s not a, you know, there’s not a large difference
between the average citizens of both countries.
Well, my dad marries a Russian woman, my stepdad, I mean, but he’s my dad, you know,
my American dad, like, like, look in cartoon, okay.
And that’s a point.
We have the home Russian American flags.
We celebrate both the Eastern holidays, Eastern Orthodox holidays and American holidays.
We have two thanksgivings, we have two Christmases, you know, and that really is a fact.
I mean, as people in our ideologies and our roots in family and, you know, cohesiveness
and working together as a family unit, we are very close as people.
And it always was surprising to me that we are not working to work with Russia rather
we’re pushing them further and further into Chinese hands, which is despicable if you
really ask me because, you know, wouldn’t it be great if we got along with Russia?
Oh, wait.
We had a guy who said that.
Yeah, we did.
Yeah.
And honestly, culturally, the difference between the Chinese and the Russians and Americans
is pretty significant.
And the Chinese, they have an unfavorable opinion of everybody who’s not Chinese.
That’s just their culture.
It’s the most racist nation in the world, according to everything I’ve ever read.
Yeah, it is.
It absolutely is.
It really is.
And they have their sights at a world domination.
So you know, it’s unfortunate that we America, United States, America, kind of pushing Russia
towards China because they don’t have any other place to go.
And Russia not being forced because they can make their own history.
They’re strong enough and mighty enough to make their, but you know, what do they do standing
against NATO by themselves?
They look for allies.
And you know, who better to be an ally than the Chinese because they have a, the enemy
of my enemy is my friend.
Right.
Right.
That is very unfortunate.
You know, a lot of my family on the conflict began.
They were on different sides of the conflict.
You know, we had some pretty radical members of our family who were on Ukrainian side and
on the Russian side.
And it amazing just, just as a side note here, we had my uncle’s wife and their young child.
And by the way, they’re old.
I mean, they’re in their 60s and that was a miracle baby that just happened very late.
They’re all in their 60s.
Thanks, buddy.
I want you to know we’re in our 60s.
Yeah.
We’re really old.
So you’re fine.
I mean, I mean, specifically I’m talking in terms of having a family starting over, like
from this scratch, you know, because I mean, they just had their child as they turned 60.
So this is a very young boy.
So when he just turned six, so they, when the conflict started, he sent his wife and their
son over here to the US.
So and this stayed with us for half a year.
Yeah.
They stayed at my mother’s apartment for half a year with us.
So you know, and it’s very interesting to see because when they first came here, and by
the way, they came from, they came through Russian open, what do you call it, four doors,
I believe they’re the cold, the, the, you know, what I’m talking about, right, Mike?
Yeah.
So because Ukrainian government at the time didn’t want anybody to leave, no matter of
fact, they prosecuted people for leaving and saying that we’re going to make sure you
have no pensions, all of that and say they left through the Russian core don’ts and they
were still very much, you know, against Russia because, you know, and when they come came
here, and we’re completely understood what, what do you think I’m going to do, do you think
I’m going to argue with a 60 year old woman and a young child about, I’m not going to
do that, you know, I’m just, you know, I’m going to help him with whatever I can, you
know, but at the same time, they got to, you know, spend a little time here and see from
American media in news perspective, how we live and what’s happening and the news happening
over there.
And they got to hear of what is happening with this consolidation of media, that’s a media
thing that happened, consolidation of media, consolidation of religion.
By the way, this is another really big topic that people are not talking about, it’s no
longer Russian Orthodox Church over there, okay, it’s now Constantinople Orthodox Church
ran out of Istanbul Turkey and all of that, my friends were started by no others in Obama
who went over there and who met with Bartholomew III and said, hey, you have a very small following
just in Istanbul Turkey, how would you like if we gave you an entire country, things like
that, you know, so in again, you know, sleight of hand, we still Orthodox Church, yes, it’s
just now a Constantinople Orthodox Church and all of your orders and stuff comes from
Istanbul Turkey and you know who wants them, right?
So people are going to pay attention to this, so of course us, so, but that’s that’s the
idea was, was all Bartholomew III, you should look this guy up, okay, Istanbul Turkey, Constantinople
Church, yep, so there now Constantinople Orthodox Church presides over Ukraine, so and a lot of
priests who were still, you know, doing the old Russian Orthodox tradition and listening to what
the patriarch of Moscow said, they were prosecuted and removed and so people witnessed their priests
that they’ve been going to, their entire life, been removed, prosecuted and arrested on top of that,
their pensions suspended if they left Ukraine, no matter the age, and you know, after seeing all
of that, the Ukrainian family that came here, they started supporting Putin, get that?
Yeah, well, I believe, I don’t have the proof, but for the research that I’ve done, I believe that
the United States is responsible, you know, NATO, we always drag along NATO for, you know, to give
us cover, but I think the United States is responsible for the government of Ukraine,
putting themselves on a war like footing with Russia. And out of this conflict, I see a Ukraine
that’s going to be devastated and, you know, the regions that Russia has already occupied,
I’m not one of these national advisors, I’m not anybody in power in government,
but I don’t see Putin ever given up that, that geography that he has now, I don’t see that happening.
And so I see Ukraine that’s going to be badly damaged by this war with Russia,
and it’s really, as you mentioned earlier, a proxy war, the United States against Russia,
but using the Ukrainian blood and, and, and, and territory as being where the damage occurs.
It’s a, I mean, the same thing I told to my mom is it’s people who suffer in the end,
and I feel terrible about this because the guys who are being fed all this propaganda on
Ukrainian side and on the Russian side, they really have honestly no concept of what they’re
even fighting for. None. Okay. And I feel bad, especially about the Ukrainian side of things,
because, as you mentioned, they are going to be devastated completely by the time this is over,
because the US has nothing to lose in this. This is just two, two prong approach for us. Okay.
Number one is we so discord in Russian population and try to see if there’s a way to ignite a civil
war was in, you know, Russia and overthrow the government from within. Okay. That’s part one.
Another part of this is it’s plain for time. That’s all it is. Do we really think Ukraine is ever
going to be, does anybody really even buy the fact that, you know, we spent, sent all of this
money into the black hole over there and that Ukraine is going to, Ukrainian people are going
to see any of that or the infrastructure is going to be rebuilt. No, you know what,
this is a giant money laundering operation. It was designed this way. And
the most corrupt country in Europe, sending them money during wartime, you expect anything
to happen there. Are you for real? So both countries leave a lot to be desired, Russia and
Ukraine. But guess what? Recently, the government of the United States leaves a lot to be desired.
Vlad, I’m not real proud of my country right now.
You know, I wrote a piece some time ago, I would like to share with you, don’t mind.
We’re hitting the five minute mark soon too. Okay. Just ahead. Okay. I’ll try to be very
brief, but it’s a short piece I wrote about who in their right mind needs Ukraine. Okay. Let me
read this to you. One moment. Let me minimize the window.
I can forward that to me too. And I can post that with the video.
We’ll do. So it’s called who in their right mind needs Ukraine. So, and it’s a little bit
about me. It’s a personal thing. It says, I was born in Ukraine, even so my entire family,
who is geographically on both side of conflict, will tell you the same thing. Here’s some critical
thinking. The United States does not need Ukraine. Politicians who have demonstrated their own
weakness, corruption, greed, and security are attempting to use military and sanction
operations to their advantage. The majority of Americans have no idea what Ukraine is,
or where it is. The majority of them couldn’t even identify this country on a map.
Why should they put up with such a hardship for a remote region of former Russia? Why is
U.S. leadership concentrating on a country like this, rather than dealing with problems like
inflation, employment, unemployment, or local emergencies in our own country? These are all
questions that we as Americans will eventually ask. And most will realize that our government
has roped, thrown, branded, and sold us out like cattle, angry mobs who set prior to our cities
during protests will therefore seem like child’s plea. Europe does not need Ukraine.
The force support of the regime at the behest of the American Democrat party mentors has already
brought financial and political disaster to Europe. The influx of arrogant beggars and their settlements
at the expense of European citizens, rising inflation, colossal bills for heating and
electricity, decay of European businesses, and damaging Russian sanctions have already led to
explosion of discontent on both Western and Eastern Europe. And for what? Of Soviet-Ukrainian
state that even boastful polls do not consider a normal country and periodically raise the issue
of annexing with their Western regions. You heard about that, right? Yes. So ahead,
looms a prospect of finally putting the blood-sucking parasites of young Ukraine on the crippled neck
of the Asian-European Union, ravaged by generation. So, and that’s kind of the problem here. Europe
does not need Ukraine either. To them, it’s just, you know, a headache. So, and then African-led
America does not need Ukraine. U.S. might have been able to Ukraine. They grow a tremendous amount
of wheat. They do, you know, a significant amount of the world’s fertilizer supply or
components that make fertilizer. So, I think it’s, it’s, like you said about Russia, about Siberia,
there’s a tremendous amount of natural resources available there. And maybe people just want
to steal that and take that away from the Ukrainian people too. I don’t know. Well, that’s a point,
either the way, the way we look at it, we don’t want the Ukrainian government there being for that.
We want to have it, you know, as collectively as a West. Again, in Africa and Latin America
doesn’t need Ukraine. So, U.S. might have been able to fund numerous initiatives aiming at social
development in countries in Africa and Latin America with hundreds of billions of dollars
we spent on pointless conflicts somewhere in Ukraine. I mean, if you really think about it,
Africa has seen genocide and colonial reliance brought on by former Western slave traders.
There are many corrupt politicians on the globe and not enough money. That’s an old story,
but there are enough money for tanks and missiles for everyone and folks in African
huts know that very well. So, what the military industrial complex makes money off of every
one of those arms and missiles that sold, bought and sold. So, and that’s part of the point.
And finally, three last ones is Asia doesn’t need Ukraine. They observe how colorful revolutions
are utilized by American hegemony. They see how they were used to drive out important rival
governments. Russia, as an example, they are aware of the worst case scenario that West as a whole,
led by the United States, has in store for them if they refuse. So, the see now Western leader boasts
help us deal with Russia and then we’ll come to your aid. Does anyone actually buy this? Do you
think anybody in Asia actually buys that? That will come to that? I’m not sure how much longer
America is going to be able to come to anybody’s aid. And that’s just that’s just fact. We’ve been
America has been the world’s police force for so long. And we’ve been the sugar daddy for so long.
That’s a point like huge nations that are on a rise like India and China. You know, in other
Asians, nations and Asian Pacific region, because they already struggled to rebuild their
economies in the way of the pandemic, right? And and Russia is a country that
geopolitically much closer to them. Yeah, then we are. You know, so we’re gonna have to wrap this up.
But I want to tell you how much I know, Mike, too, appreciate your being on with us giving us your
unique perspective on what’s going on in Ukraine. That piece you wrote, please do send it to Mike
so we can include it on our website. That was very succinct and very profound that I think it
encapsulates a lot of the things that I’ve learned only recently as I started studying this thing.
You know, why is America involved? What are we doing and why are we doing it? And there are really
no good answers. All those all it comes back to is is that there’s, you know, any time an
equation doesn’t make sense is because you don’t have all the pieces of the equation in place.
And I think my NATO in the United States is in a proxy war with Russia using Ukrainian blood to do
it is somewhat of a mystery to me. And I don’t know the real answer, but somewhere that you wrote
the answer lies. All right, we’ll give you a buzz then. Let me wrap this thought. I mean,
to what you said, what I really thinking, what I’m really thinking is happening,
I believe wholeheartedly, again, the statement that I started this with is that we do not see
Russia as a nation collectively, the West. Okay, we see it as a government that is in the way of
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