Do you want to believe or do you want to know the truth?


Update 24 Mar 21. Former Director of National Intelligence Ratcliffe says there will be another Pentagon information release in June.


This podcast includes a long-time veteran friend Brent, and of course Mac and Mike. The subject is about UFO phenomena. New terms like “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” and “Unidentified Submerged Phenomena” have more or less replaced UFO.  Brent is an alien believer while Mac and Mike think there is something to it, just not what you might think.

Brent says his fascination with UFOs has grown greatly in recent years. We see evidence from the Sands of Roswell to the Battle of Los Angeles. We have testimony from people like Luiz Elizondo who ran the AATIP program for the government, Dr. Steven Greer who has briefed numerous governments on the UFO phenomena. We hope in this short podcast that you gain some insight into the phenomenon, maybe even to look for UFOs yourself?

Mac and Mike’s view is that there is something to the phenomena. At the same time, they are not convinced by most of the stories, pictures, and videos. However, some really do defy explanation. Neither Mac nor Mike is convinced that the show on The History Channel called Ancient Aliens is legitimate. Not that aliens, if they do exist, were not around thousands of years ago. It is simply that the so-called evidence on that show offers no other view and hides many facts that would disprove what they are saying. See the documentary Ancient Aliens Debunked.

Mike has occasionally studied the subject from a more objective point of view over the decades. Since the Pentagon confirmed the 2004 and 2014–2015 incidents that leaked there is something to it. It could be the government is hiding things for nefarious or security reasons. It could also be they are not forthcoming because it is embarrassing for the world’s greatest superpower to admit it doesn’t know what the phenomena are.

While many immediately attribute these sightings to alien life from another solar system Mike considers many other views. Could it be interdimensional? Could it be an emergence from a quantum state universe? Others, supposedly at the US DOD and UK MoD suggest it is demonic activity. This is based on Ephesians chapter 2 where Satan is called “the ruler of the kingdom of the air“.

Eph 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Mike says he leans in directions and does not claim to have concrete answers. He points out if we cannot see radio waves and certain wavelengths of light but we know they exist and use them. There might be many things we do not see with our senses and do not understand. He often says “The supernatural is natural once it is understood.”

Notice Mac and Mike disappear from the screen. We decided to continue that way because it just goes to prove the point you can’t always believe what you see. Trust me we are both really there and not truly disappearing. How easy is it to create an illusion today? Magicians / Illusionists have been around for thousands of years. Comments are welcome!

In this video, I’ve made comments but cannot insert links. I will do that in this space.

Pentagon Confirms UFO’s Exist

Paul Hellyer

Steven M. Greer

Luis “Lue” Elizondo

Robert Scott Lazar

Tom DeLonge Blink-182

Ancient Aliens Debunked

Quantum Entanglement

China Entangles Particles In Space

UFO Sightings in Outer Space – Some astronauts may believe alien life exists like Edgar D. Mitchell, but none have ever said they saw it according to my research. If you have actual testimony from an astronaut please drop it in the comments below. Not belief, but evidence or at the very least first-hand recorded testimony from the person.